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Anthony Wood

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Subject : OT GUI Outdated
Posted : 3/28/2021 5:31 AM
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I have been using OT since 2002 and seen huge developments in power of OT which is excellent, however, one thing that hasnt changed in the last 19 years is the user interface. Isn't it about time OT received a new GUI? We still have the WIndows NT style look and feel which is beginning to break when running on Windows 10. The Focus List does not sit right when docked. The chart window itself has a Vista style bezel which doesn't look right.

Take a look at other applications out there, TradingView, Quantower, eSignal, NinjaTrader, the list goes on, these applications have a super slick GUI, OmnitTrader desperately needs a new GUI utilising the latest
in modern software technology.

OT under the hood is incredible, it just needs a new coat of paint.

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Subject : RE: OT GUI Outdated
Posted : 3/28/2021 11:18 AM
Post #31470 - In reply to #31469

Entirely agree Anthony. A modern eye pleasing interface needed to make this great platform shine! Time to give OmniTrader a cover that will portray it for the innovative and comprehensive product that it truly is.

I have been a longtime user of Tradestation, Multicharts, Ninja and others. The differences in display quality compared to OmniTrader has always been very obvious to me since I joined Nirvana many years ago. At that time, I assumed that improving it was a low priority for everyone, but something that would likely be upgraded over time. Improving the display would especially enhance the effectiveness of using the color coding programing capability built into OT. Something I find more and more useful when following the state of multiple markets on multiple charts.

Ed has (and continues) to put his heart and soul into OmniTrader to make it a fast and feature rich platform, being in many ways far superior to most alternatives, including those mentioned above. It is my preferred platform for trading equities.

Hopefully, Ed and the Nirvana development team will recognize this request as worthy of implementation and be able to incorporate a shiny new GUI upgrade in the near future that OmniTrader truly deserves.

-Bruce

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Subject : RE: OT GUI Outdated
Posted : 3/28/2021 12:56 PM
Post #31471 - In reply to #31469

TBH no, the GUI is just window dressing, that is not what OT needs.

What needs to be done is the entire core of OT needs to be re-written in NEW language, cleaned up, streamlined and made more bullet proof (error resistant). All the really cool add-ons over the years are awesome but have added a lot of bloat, slowed things down and made it prone to crashing, etc.

The problem is it is $$$$$. It would take a team of 10-15 coders a year to do it right. The end result would be a much improved, error resistant and faster OT - and with a NEW GUI too!

I personally would contribute $ for just this effort. It is that important and would be that much of an improvement
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Subject : RE: OT GUI Outdated
Posted : 3/28/2021 1:31 PM
Post #31472 - In reply to #31469

Here's an out of the box thought (just for kicks, off-course), on a Sunday morning:

There are x-amount of $$$ invested in marketing each year. If an x-amount of $$$ were invested by N into the market, let's say as of Monday, and allow it to grow (re-invested), as its technology allows, than voila - in x-years, we'd have the x-$$$ amount to begin the OT GUI project ground-breaking ceremony. :-)

Anyways ... just a thought popped up for amusement. Cheers, and Happy Sunday.
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Subject : RE: OT GUI Outdated
Posted : 3/28/2021 4:44 PM
Post #31473 - In reply to #31469

Buffalo I agree, the GUI is just window dressing, but to get people into the shop, the window dressing needs to be attractive and OT looks extremely old and outdated in comparison to the most popular trading applications out there.

A full rework of the entire code maybe needed, I agree and will take a huge amount of time and money from Nirvana, however, a relatively small investment in time and money to dress up the window, will likely bring in more customers and therefore produce more money to be available to invest into re-coding the entire platform.

Nirvana hasn't changed OT's GUI in the 18 years I have been using it and was designed back in the NT/XP days, maybe pre NT. Windows itself has moved on and its GUI is now a modern looking OS, yet OT doesn't even conform to the Windows GUI standards, it creates its own in some places and not others, the result is that it is now inconsistent and broken (Focus List vs Chart window). A new modern GUI would allow for light and dark themes, smoother chart and indicator rendering etc.

I fear that ED and his team are so focused on producing plugins and modules to sell to existing customers to bring in revenue, they are missing an opportunity to put OT in the spotlight by giving it a modern look and feel, which will attract many new customers to the platform. TradingView is super slick to use as a charting application. Put that level of slick user interface onto OmniTrader's immense capabilities, then it could be THE 'go to' trading and strategy development platform. Right now, many people have either used or at least heard of TradingView, even Refinitiv have replaced the chart engine in Eikon with charts powered by TradingView. Most people in this space have no idea who Nirvana are and have never heard of OmniTrader.

Would be good to hear Nirvana's thoughts and plans if any, on this thread.


[Edited by Anthony Wood on 3/28/2021 4:47 PM]

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Subject : RE: OT GUI Outdated
Posted : 3/28/2021 5:31 PM
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64bit, multi-thread, multi-core . . .
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Subject : RE: OT GUI Outdated
Posted : 3/28/2021 5:46 PM
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Just to clarify, the plugins and modules Ed and the team are producing to sell to us are fantastic products and I was not criticising, my previous post didn’t read that well on reflection. I was trying to point out that some development on the front end would yield more revenue too.
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Subject : RE: OT GUI Outdated
Posted : 3/29/2021 9:52 AM
Post #31476 - In reply to #31469

This is a very common debate at Nirvana. Thanks for the opinions, hopefully someday!
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Subject : RE: OT GUI Outdated
Posted : 3/29/2021 10:50 AM
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Imho, I'd think it'd be best N to be acquired by a Hedge fund, secret investor w/ deep pocket, or whoever, that believes in N as a company, its products, and the people behind it who make everything possible... AND than take the company public "IPO"-hurrah,yeah.

From there, with ample of funding availability, the GUI project can be one of the startups, among others priorities in back-burner, and so forth.

The key fundamental issue foreseen is, funds can become available within a short period, but its the "WORK" and "Management" that goes behind it all is "the CHALLENGE" ... i.e., staff, payroll, sales, customer service, and so forth, would become astronomical from the current status for the company as it stands.

... and that my friends, can buckle the company and a "RISK" worth taking or not ... I'm sure Ed understands this all and thread very carefully for one mistake / error in steering the wheel (or throttle) .. we'd all become like the EverGreen ship in Suez Canal that got freed up today :-).

Just an opinion for debate, fwiw. Cheers,
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Subject : RE: OT GUI Outdated
Posted : 3/30/2021 4:55 AM
Post #31478 - In reply to #31469

Apart from minor tinkering here & there I don't expect any significant upgrade in terms of rewrite of OT code to make it 64bit, multi-threaded, multi-core or a modern GUI in foreseeable future. How we can even think of these things when they are not even able to fix many critical issues with OT & VT since long time.

While on the one hand they keep on venturing into newer areas which requires significant development time like OmniVest, OmniFund, plugins for third party platforms like MetaStock etc but on the other hand some of their best brains (Matthew Greenslet, Frank Ochoa, Jeremy Williams) have left the company. They are already running seriously short of manpower to support the existing ventures.

So as things stand today hoping to get modern GUI, 64bit, multi-thread etc are just wishful thinking and perhaps never going to happen. I would be very happy if Nirvana just fixes the bugs and issues with OT & VT to make it a reliable platform.


[Edited by Vinay on 3/30/2021 9:11 AM]

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Subject : RE: OT GUI Outdated
Posted : 3/30/2021 10:26 AM
Post #31479 - In reply to #31478

My opinion fwiw …

I for one LIKE the current GUI (minus a few very small glitches).

And, some changes made in the past few years have in my opinion been pretty much a waste of effort - notably the fancy FL formatting that was implemented about 4-5 years ago IIRC.

For me, what’s important is removing bugs and glitches. That’s top priority. Barry well knows there are plenty of things I’ve documented that have not yet been fixed.

I would truly WORRY if N undertook a major GUI upgrade. My guess is that it’s a 50/50 chance that it might end up being worse. And even if it was conceptually better, for sure there would be a whole new crop of bugs and glitches to iron out.

And, the aggravation of having to re-learn where things are, and sequences of clicks to get things done.

Another common downfall of GUI upgrades often is that some things which used to be possible somehow vanish away, because of oversight or because someone thought they were improving things.

So, my vote is PLEASE DO NOT DO A REDESIGN of the GUI. Tweak it, fine. Fix the omissions and glitches, fine. But please don’t put yourselves and the users through the long and painstaking process of rebuilding, relearning, re-debugging, and re-documenting.


And btw - someone earlier suggested that fixing the GUI is the easy kind of programming.
NOT SO. I’ve been programming actively since 1967, and I can tell you that creating a good GUI is much more time consuming than creating or improving an internal algorithm. Especially when you add in the need to replace documentation and training videos, etc.


It ain’t broke, so please don’t change it.

[Edited by Jim Dean on 3/30/2021 10:27 AM]

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Subject : RE: OT GUI Outdated
Posted : 3/30/2021 10:37 AM
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Originally written by Jim Dean on 3/31/2021 9:26 AM

For me, what’s important is removing bugs and glitches. That’s top priority. Barry well knows there are plenty of things I’ve documented that have not yet been fixed.

I would truly WORRY if N undertook a major GUI upgrade. My guess is that it’s a 50/50 chance that it might end up being worse. And even if it was conceptually better, for sure there would be a whole new crop of bugs and glitches to iron out.


Jim, I couldn’t agree more. Nirvana please fix the known and well documented bugs on priority basis. Feature additions can wait.





[Edited by Vinay on 3/30/2021 10:42 AM]

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Subject : RE: OT GUI Outdated
Posted : 3/30/2021 10:41 AM
Post #31481 - In reply to #31469

My suggestion was not to redesign the interface but to refresh it and fix the issues, a modern look and feel. Certainly leave everything where it is but at the very least, use the OS GUI Standard to draw the bezels and title bars rather than odd instances of using the OS and bespoke GUI. Back in the Windows 98, NT days OT used the OS for its GUI Standards, but then Microsoft produced XP and Vista and these new look OS GUIs did not work with the design of OT, so it appears that Nirvana did some bespoke GUI tweaks, which actually broke the GUI as it no longer works. Microsoft got their act together with Windows 10 and maybe Nirvana should just revert to letting the OS control the GUI again, maybe this is all it would need for now.

It is broke, it needs fixing


[Edited by Anthony Wood on 3/30/2021 10:43 AM]

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Subject : RE: OT GUI Outdated
Posted : 3/30/2021 10:55 AM
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Jim, I certainly agree with this..

"For me, what’s important is removing bugs and glitches."


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