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Spectacular results!!!
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Digitaldood

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Subject : Spectacular results!!!
Posted : 1/5/2022 9:18 AM
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I hope this finds you all well and wealthier after the holidays / new year!
I have been working on a Credit Spread system for a while now, and I've attached the Performance Report and the Equity Curve using the 4 year back test and 1 year forward test. The equity curve is starting with $29,000. Without getting into the actual system, do these results look realistic? I've looked at the actual trades - I guess I can include those as well - but, I mean, I wasn't believing it at first when I ran the test, and then ran the Port Sim. I know some will say that you can't really say unless you know what the system involves, and we can get into that later. I just wanted to get this started off, and would love to work with a few who might be interested in quantifying this strategy.

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Attached file : PerfReprt_jpKeltCSpATM.pdf (34KB - 220 downloads)
Attached file : EquityCurve_jpKeltCSpATM.jpg (312KB - 203 downloads)
Attached file : 007jpKelt50CSpHiProb.xlsx (433KB - 185 downloads)

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Subject : RE: Spectacular results!!!
Posted : 1/5/2022 11:11 AM
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It looked like the performance report showed 0 loss in the Back Test but the chart certainly shows that losses occurred.

I looked at the transactions and didn't notice losses in the Back Test period which would be odd and not a match to the sim chart.

So, do they look realistic? I'm going to say that if I were trading it live, I'd expect to see different results. I don't trade this particular system, but it looks intriguing.

Have you run with different time periods? For instance, with 1 year BT beginning in 2018 or 1 month BT in 2021 and FT to current -- a variety of different time frames so the noise doesn't get lost in the sim chart scale?

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Digitaldood

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Subject : RE: Spectacular results!!!
Posted : 1/5/2022 1:29 PM
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I think what you are seeing in the equity curve are paper losses, which is why you didn't find any in the trades list.
I did have plans on testing different time periods in the BT and FT.
I'll update on that soon.

Thank you,

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Subject : RE: Spectacular results!!!
Posted : 1/7/2022 4:32 PM
Post #48474 - In reply to #48463

One thing I can tell you is OT does NOT handle option trading well when it comes to testing. This has been verified. The option modeling used by OT does not do a good job replicating real results, and testing results are very inflated.

I learned this the hard way...

I would use very little $ and low # of trades at first just to see, and slowly increase $ and positions if the results you see are acceptable

YMMV
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Subject : RE: Spectacular results!!!
Posted : 1/8/2022 12:20 AM
Post #48476 - In reply to #48474

Hi, Buffalo.

I have been angling to get my feet wet with Opt Trader6 and Auto Trade in EOD, so thanks for the heads up :)

Q1 Do you trade just EOD, or RT, too?

Q2 Do you Auto Trade? Any tips/warnings/troubles in that regard?

Q3 Would you recommend simple calls/puts to begin, for experience in usage?


--Mark G.





[Edited by mgerber on 1/8/2022 12:23 AM]

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Digitaldood

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Subject : RE: Spectacular results!!!
Posted : 1/8/2022 10:12 AM
Post #48477 - In reply to #48474

So, to Buffalo Bill's testament, Opt Trader does have some issues. I went and did a few more tests while changing strike prices, and all that did was make more money, even going in the money somewhat deep. This was way too unbelievable. One note - the only exit I have in this TP is an Expiration Exit at zero days to expiration. So, I went through the trades it produced and even if the asset was not OTM of the strikes, the exit prices all showed zero's. I compared some of them to Think Back in TOS and confirmed that a good bit of them should not have been zero price at expiration. So I changed the exit to a 1 (1 day to expiration exit) and the results, though not great, were now believable.
I wanted the 0 days to expiration to represent letting the spreads go to expiration, just to see where the balance is with the strike price choices, but apparently you can't do that in a trade plan. And, if you don't have any exits, it will keep a position open forever.

OT may not be exact with its calculation of what option prices may be at any given time, but for testing purposes, for me, I feel like it is close enough if you test good liquid assets. I do wish that we could be able to choose the strikes in spreads by the Delta instead of ITM + 1, 2, 3, etc or OTM +1, 2, 3, etc. There's a big difference in those strike prices between a $35 stock and a $600 stock. Delta's would get you so much closer to a preferred price.

Thanks for all of your input.

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