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Does the new OT2020 solve this problem?
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Subject : Does the new OT2020 solve this problem?
Posted : 5/16/2020 4:05 PM
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Back in the day when I was using OT2008 (over 10 years ago), I noticed something peculiar when I was doing the testing. As I worked charts forward one bar at a time (from a past date starting point), the signals on past dates would change as I moved forward. Rarely would a new signal appear at the hard right edge of the chart, on the current bar. Rather, the signal would suddenly appear somewhere on a past bar, say, 10 bars or more back. This sort of thing is of no use to an actual trader, and is one of the reasons I stopped using OT2008 and actually switched from trading to portfolio investing.

Has the design and programming team at Nirvana Systems tackled this specific issue in the last 12 years since OT2008’s release, and if so, what specifically has been done to address and fix this problem?

I think the software would be of more use and give more accurate test results if there was some way to lock a signal once it has been fired (so that it doesn’t move around), and to only allow new signals to be fired on the current bar in the chart, not on past bars. Can this be programmed in by the user if not already programed in by the design team?

This feature should apply to exits as well. Once an exit has been signaled it should stay on that bar and not move. Another thing that I think would be good is to allow reinforcing signals during an active trade. In other words, the line that starts at a signal signifying an ongoing trade could continue while also accepting reinforcing signals. Does OT2020 do any of this?


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Subject : RE: Does the new OT2020 solve this problem?
Posted : 5/16/2020 4:33 PM
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Howdy Picard -

All is well now.

Engage!
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Subject : RE: Does the new OT2020 solve this problem?
Posted : 5/16/2020 4:48 PM
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Jim, Howdy to you too, but "all is well" doesn't really answer my question.
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Subject : RE: Does the new OT2020 solve this problem?
Posted : 5/16/2020 5:33 PM
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The answer is actually a very long and involved one. It mostly has to do with optimization methods that used crystal ball type logic. It was fixed IIRC about 6-8 years ago, to the immense relief of many users. There were several facets to the fix. Suffice to say that complaints about it have totally gone away … so much so that I was surprised to see your question. OT has improved exponentially since 2008. Give 2020 a try and you’ll see!
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Subject : RE: Does the new OT2020 solve this problem?
Posted : 5/16/2020 9:25 PM
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Thanks Jim. Good to know. I haven't used OT for over a decade because of this issue and because I've been busy with my job, which even though I'm on the west coast I start the work day before market open. I'm interested in trying OT again but only if this issue is fixed. Sounds like it is according to you. Gotta upgrade Windows from 7 to 10 though first.
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Subject : RE: Does the new OT2020 solve this problem?
Posted : 5/16/2020 11:25 PM
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The Last two Win10 releases have been problematic. Try to get a version before April if you can. Apparently N is working on a slew of patches to overcome the Windows issues.
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Subject : RE: Does the new OT2020 solve this problem?
Posted : 5/18/2020 9:04 AM
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Jim:

Just curious as to your comment about the last two Windows 10 releases being problematic for Nirvana applications.

Could you possibly be a bit more specific about that, please?

Thanks,

Tom Helget

[Edited by EYEGUY on 5/18/2020 9:04 AM]

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Subject : RE: Does the new OT2020 solve this problem?
Posted : 5/18/2020 9:40 AM
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Hi Tom -

I can’t recall the specific KB#. I know that I had to remove it. Also, some others on the forum ran into similar concerns, and Barry recently posted that N is working on overcoming issues related to those releases. I think I also saw something in the news about it.

I had to remove the release manually and also go thru a procedure to stop automating windows updates - a bit involved, but I posted a link about how to do it (somewhere).

Sorry that I don’t have more detail. I suspect a google search for issues with recent Windows releases might be helpful. I said there were two of them since I also *think* that I heard the release that came immediately after the problematic one did not fix the issues.

Again, sorry about generalities. OFM.

[Edited by Jim Dean on 5/18/2020 9:42 AM]

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Subject : RE: Does the new OT2020 solve this problem?
Posted : 5/18/2020 9:43 AM
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Here is a link with more info:

https://www.maketecheasier.com/latest-windows-10-update-problems/
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Subject : RE: Does the new OT2020 solve this problem?
Posted : 5/18/2020 10:03 AM
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Jim:

Thanks, fortunately I don't think I have noticed any of those problems.

Tom Helget
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Subject : RE: Does the new OT2020 solve this problem?
Posted : 5/18/2020 10:46 AM
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Tom:
Here is a bit of discussion about the problem, which originated with the April 14 Windows KB4549951 update:
https://www.omnitrader.com/currentclients/otforum/thread-view.asp?threadid=16221

I see the problem manifested usually as an Error 3049, which occurs for me when running ToDo List analysis on a list of 400 stocks with 20 strategies. Backed out the Windows update, and no problem.



[Edited by SteveL on 5/18/2020 10:48 AM]

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Subject : RE: Does the new OT2020 solve this problem?
Posted : 5/18/2020 11:24 AM
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Steve:

Thanks, I see,

Tom Helget
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Subject : RE: Does the new OT2020 solve this problem?
Posted : 5/28/2020 7:45 PM
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I confirm that Pre-Release 2M fixes this.

2020-09-15 EDIT: I was wrong. It improves the situation, but doesn't fix it.

[Edited by SteveL on 9/15/2020 7:51 AM]

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Subject : RE: Does the new OT2020 solve this problem?
Posted : 9/15/2020 2:25 AM
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Good day All,
MS update KB4549951 is the cause of Error 3049.I know from posts that Barry has spoken to MS technicians about it. Until MS fix this the error continues to cause problems for SW5 users and limits database file sizes to 2GB.

I understood from Steve L above post that Pre-Release 2M fixes this. If so why then does the problem exist when OT is at Pre-Release 2T ? Over the years I have learnt a great deal from Steve's posts and am wondering if I am misunderstanding this post.

Jim Dean also issued a warning in his post titled "Beware Windows 10 June Update"

NB: For interest sake a list of some of the SW5 posts is attached some of which pertain to Error 3049.

https://www.omnitrader.com/currentclients/proforum/thread-view.asp?threadid=7870&posts=2

Any advice will as always be appreciated.

Regards,

Keith Parsons
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Subject : RE: Does the new OT2020 solve this problem?
Posted : 9/15/2020 7:53 AM
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Keith - I edited my post.
2020-09-15 EDIT: I was wrong. It improves the situation, but doesn't fix it.

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Subject : RE: Does the new OT2020 solve this problem?
Posted : 9/15/2020 7:59 AM
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Thank you Steve - it now makes sense.

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